>Hey Rex,
It just sounded like you were describing religion! :)
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Naturalism and Christianity are both 'religions' as far as both require belief when the logic breaks down. Naturalists (usually) just refuse to admit it!
Rex
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God and Science
by Shining One innow here is an interesting take on all things..... .
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http://www.crosscurrents.org/godand.htm
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What was Jesus implying...........................
by defd inat john 10:30 jesus said " i and the father are one" what was he implying?
was it a claim to be almighty god?
what is your thoughts and why?
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I can leave the trinity out of this and show you why it is true that Jesus was indeed claiming to be equal to God, in fact, this is part of the intent of John writing his gospel. There are seven times in this gospel when Jesus uses 'I Am' in the same terminology (in greek) as Yahweh used in Exodus 3.14 and other places. This is exactly why the JWs use the deceptive wording in their version of the Bible. They do the same thing at the end of John 9 with the word 'obeisance' inserted in place of 'worship'.
Let me show you the word study for one of these 'I Am' Statements:
John 8.24 (Literal)
24. |2036| I said |3767| Therefore, |5213| to you |3754| that |0599| you will die |1722| in |3588| the |0266| sins |5216| of you! |1437| if |1063| For |3361| not |4100| you believe |3754| that |1473| I |1510| AM, |0599| you will die |1722| in |3588| the |0266| sins |5216| of you!
(I) Strong's Ref. # 1473
Romanized ego
Pronounced eg-o'
a primary pronoun of the first person I (only expressed when emphatic): KJV--I, me. For the other cases and the plural see GSN1691, GSN1698, GSN1700, GSN2248, GSN2249, GSN2254, N2257, etc.
What are the implications by the WBTS changing scripture and teaching what they know to be false doctrine? Assuming Christianity is the true faith, then they are responsible for sending people to Hell! Jesus is telling the Jews that He is God and "if you don't believe it you are dead in your sins", that means Hell or separation from God!
"Ego eimi" is the same "I Am" that we see in Exodus 3.14, 'Hayah' is the hebrew word.
(I AM)
Strong's Ref. # 1961
Romanized hayah
Pronounced haw-yaw
a primitive root [compare HSN1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): KJV--beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.
Let me show you the usage in John 9: 1-5, where we see two different meanings of 'I am':
Joh 9.5: |3752| When |1722| in |3588| the |2889| world |5600| I am, |5457| {the} Light |1510| I am |3588| of the |2889| world.
This is the normal use of 'I am' by any person, 'as long as I am in the world':
(I am)
Strong's Ref. # 5600
Romanized o
Pronounced o
including the oblique forms, as well as es {ace}; e {ay}; etc.; the subjunctive of GSN1510; (may, might, can, could, would, should, must, etc.; also with GSN1487 and its comparative, as well as with other particles) be: KJV--+ appear, are, (may, might, should) be, X have, is, + pass the flower of her age, should stand, were.
Now, here is the version of 'I Am' that is the equivilant of Jesus calling Himself 'Yahweh' or 'I AM':
(AM)
Strong's Ref. # 1510
Romanized eimi
Pronounced i-mee'
the first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I EXIST (used only when emphatic): KJV--am, have been, X it is I, was. See also GSN1488, GSN1498, GSN1511, GSN1527, GSN2258, GSN2071, GSN2070, GSN2075, GSN2076, GSN2771, GSN2468, GSN5600.
'Ego Eimi' is used in the book of John seven times to show that the Christ did indeed claim to be equal to God. 'That which is begotten of God is God' is where we see Jesus described as the only begotten son of God. 'Begotten' does not mean 'created'. The Watchtower changes scripture in over 300 places to fit their view of Jesus as something less than God. They revive heresies that began in the apostolic age, despite all of the obvious abilities that Jesus displayed as deity, God incarnate. Jesus displayed a dual nature as he is God and He is man. This is what scripture reveals. Can anyone explain it? No. Yet it is revealed, just as the tri-unity is revealed (but we aren't proving that here).
So we have Scripture, apocrypha and tradition all describing Jesus as calling Himself God. There is no doubt that He believed and claimed to be God, equal to God and the Jews ultimately had Him executed for these claims.
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Questions for Jgnat
by Shining One injgnat, .
you had some points that i missed in a previous thread.
here are my answers to your charges.
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Old Soul,
What does any of your diatribe have to do with this thread? Quit 'hijacking the thread'. Some of you just keep ignoring the points that were made. It all boils down to this:
Don't claim to be a Christian if you refuse to follow all of the commands of Christ and deny the very basis (Scripture) for belief in Christ. Why is that point so hard for some of you ex-dubs to admit? We're not talking about sin due to our nature. We are talking about deliberate undermining of His word. If you are not even going to try and 'walk the walk', then don't 'talk the talk'.
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From Fundementalist to Humanist
by peacefulpete in.
for your reading pleasure:.
from fundamentalist to humanist
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Tetly,
You are just another Canadian suffering from an inferiority complex. You typically spew hate towards all things American.....
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God and Science
by Shining One innow here is an interesting take on all things..... .
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http://www.crosscurrents.org/godand.htm
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Dawkins got it wrong, Tetly,
What is remarkable about the 'scientific' worldview is that it claims unobservable hypothesis as actual events, ignores data that doesn't 'fit' with the present theories, makes frivolous claims with a minimum of evidence. Dawkins is just another scientist that has specific beliefs about how the universe was formed and evolved. He fits the evidence into his worldview and like so many others, denies that is the case. What is it about presuppositions and axioms that you don't understand?
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Atheletes and S.B.C. help in relief efforts
by Shining One inhttp://www.sbc.net/redirect.asp?url=http://www.bpnews.net/ .
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http://www.sbc.net/redirect.asp?ci=717&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ebpnews%2enet%2fbpnews%2easp%3fid%3d21508 .
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Questions for Jgnat
by Shining One injgnat, .
you had some points that i missed in a previous thread.
here are my answers to your charges.
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Hi Defed,
Yes, I can see that is the case again. The anti-Christian crowd will pat her on the back. Those who will admit the truth of the matter will take note. Thanks for the comments.
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Questions for Jgnat
by Shining One injgnat, .
you had some points that i missed in a previous thread.
here are my answers to your charges.
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Hi Diamondblue,
Here are most recent questions to Jgnat: You deny the doctinal statement of your alleged church. By denying scripture that you don't agree with, you deny the very foundation of the Christ you say you worship. It is my contention that she cannot be a Christian on one hand and deny scripture she doesn't agree with on the other. It is inconsistent and dishonest. How is that emotional? Jgnat sidesteps the questions by saying she believes the 'law of love' and in Jesus Himself but doesn't 'worship a book'. With all of these supporters of logic around you think they would be howling at the inconsistency. The fact is that they themselves are just as inconsistent. Their reasonable logic ends at the point where they would be forced to admit the possibility of being accountable to God.
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From Fundementalist to Humanist
by peacefulpete in.
for your reading pleasure:.
from fundamentalist to humanist
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More counter-point to the pointless humanist outlook...
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From Fundementalist to Humanist
by peacefulpete in.
for your reading pleasure:.
from fundamentalist to humanist
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As a counter to your 'lost' humanist, try the works of this fellow!
http://www.rzim.org/http://www.rzim.org/